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"Tectonic Shifts" in Employment

Information technology is reducing the need for certain jobs faster than new ones are being created.

  • January/February 2012
  • By David Talbot

A job to do: Much as the Luddites feared mechanical looms 200 years ago, today’s middle-class workers have reason to worry that information technology erodes their employment prospects. Credit: Mary Evans Picture Library/Alamy

The United States faces a protracted unemployment crisis: 6.3 million fewer Americans have jobs than was true at the end of 2007. And yet the country's economic output is higher today than it was before the financial crisis. Where did the jobs go? Several factors, including outsourcing, help explain the state of the labor market, but fast-advancing, IT-driven automation might be playing the biggest role.

Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, people have feared that new technologies would permanently erode employment. Over and over again, these dislocations of labor have been temporary: technologies that made some jobs obsolete eventually led to new kinds of work, raising productivity and prosperity with no overall negative effect on employment.

There's nothing to suggest that this dynamic no longer operates, but new research is showing that advances in workplace automation are being deployed at a faster pace than ever, making it more difficult for workers to adapt and wreaking havoc on the middle class: the clerks, accountants, and production-line workers whose tasks can increasingly be mastered by software and robots. "Do I think we will have permanently high unemployment as a consequence of technology? No," says Peter Diamond, the MIT economist who won a 2010 Nobel Prize for his work on market imperfections, including those that affect employment. "What's different now is that the nature of jobs going away has changed. Communication and computer abilities mean that the type of jobs affected have moved up the income distribution."

Erik Brynjolfsson and Andrew McAfee study information-­supercharged workplaces and the innovations and productivity advances they continually create. Now they have turned their sights to how these IT-driven improvements affect employment. In their new book, ­Brynjolfsson, director of the Center for Digital Business at MIT's Sloan School of Management, and McAfee, its principal research scientist, see a paradox in the first decade of the 2000s. Even before the economic downturn caused U.S. unemployment to rise from 4.4 percent in May 2007 to 10.1 percent in October 2009, a disturbing trend was visible. From 2000 to 2007, GDP and productivity rose faster than they had in any decade since the 1960s, but employment growth was comparatively tepid.

Brynjolfsson and McAfee posit that more work was being done by, or with help from, machines. For example, Amazon.com reduced the need for retail staffers; computerized kiosks in hotels and airports replaced clerks; voice-recognition and speech systems replaced customer support staff and operators; and businesses of all kinds took advantage of tools such as enterprise resource planning software. "A classically trained economist would say: 'This just means there's a big adjustment taking place until we find the new equilibrium—the new stuff for people to do,' " says McAfee.

We've certainly made such adjustments before. But whereas agricultural advances played out over a century and electrification and factory automation rolled out over decades, the power of some information technologies is essentially doubling every two years or so as a consequence of Moore's Law. It took some time for IT to fully replace the paper-driven workflows in cubicles, management suites, and retail stores. (In the 1980s and early 1990s productivity grew slowly, and then it took off after 1996; some economists explained that IT was finally being used effectively.) But now, Brynjolfsson and McAfee argue, the efficiencies and automation opportunities made possible by IT are advancing too fast for the labor market to keep up.

More evidence that technology has reduced the number of good jobs can be found in a working paper by David Autor, an economist at MIT, and David Dorn, an economist at the Center for Monetary and Financial Studies in Madrid. They too point to the crucial years of 2000–2005. Job growth happened mainly at the ends of the spectrum: in lower-paying positions, in areas such as personal care, cleaning services, and security, and in higher-end professional positions for technicians, managers, and the like. For laborers, administrative assistants, production workers, and sales representatives, the job market didn't grow as fast—or even shrank. Subsequent research showed that things got worse after 2007. During the recession, nearly all the nation's job losses were in those middle categories—the positions easiest to replace, fully or in part, by technology.

Brynjolfsson says the trends are "troubling." And they are global; some of the jobs that IT threatens, for example, are at electronics factories in China and transcription services in India. "This is not about replacing all work, but rather about tectonic shifts that have left millions much worse off and others much better off," he says. While he doesn't believe the problem is permanent, that's of little solace to the millions out of work now, and they may not be paid at their old rates even when they do find new jobs. "Over the longer term, they will develop new skills, or entrepreneurs will figure out ways of making use of their skills, or wages will drop, or all three of those things will happen," he says. "But in the short run, your old set of skills that created a lot of value are not useful anymore."

This means there's a risk, unless the economy generates new high-quality jobs, that the people in the middle will face the prospect of menial jobs—whose wages will actually decline as more people compete for them. "Theory says the labor market will 'clear.' There are always things for people to do," Autor says. "But it doesn't say at what price." And even as it gets crowded and potentially even less rewarding at the bottom, employees at the top are getting paid more, thanks to the multiplier effects of technology. Some 60 percent of the income growth in the United States between 2002 and 2007 went to the top 1 percent of Americans—the bulk of whom are executives whose companies are getting richer by using IT to become more efficient, Brynjolfsson and McAfee point out.

Dramatic shifts have happened before. In 1800, 90 percent of Americans were employed in agriculture. The figure was down to 41 percent by 1900 and stands at 2 percent today. People work, instead, in new industries that were unimaginable in the early 19th century. Such a transformation could happen again. Today's information technologies, even as they may do short-term harm to some kinds of employees, are clearly a boon to entrepreneurs, who now have cheaper and more powerful tools at their disposal than at any other time in history. As jobs are lost, Brynjolfsson says, "we will be running an experiment on the economy to see if entrepreneurs invent new ways to be productive equally quickly." As examples, he points to eBay and Amazon Marketplace, which together allow hundreds of thousands of people to make their living hawking items to customers around the world.

The problem, he says, is that not enough people are sufficiently educated or technologically savvy to exploit such rapid advances and develop as-yet-unimagined entrepreneurial niches. He and McAfee conclude their book by arguing that the same technologies now making industry far more productive should be applied to updating and improving the educational system. (In one promising example they cite, 58,000 people went online to take an artificial-intelligence class offered by Stanford University.)

IT-based entrepreneurship isn't the only potential technological driver of new jobs. Revitalizing manufacturing (see "Can We Build Tomorrow's Breakthroughs?") could also help. But automation has made manufacturing far less labor intensive, so even a manufacturing revival is not likely to mean a great many new jobs on balance. Likewise, anyone whose hopes are pinned on "green jobs" may be disappointed. Though jobs will be created in the switch to cleaner energy sources, jobs tied to traditional energy will be lost in the same process. Many economists are not certain what the net effect will be. And in any case, these days manufacturing and energy account for small slices of the U.S. economy, which is now driven much more by the service sector. That's why fast-advancing information technologies, with their pervasive reach and their potential to create new services and satisfy new niche markets, may be a better bet for job creation—though the tumult IT is causing in the labor market isn't necessarily going to resolve itself quickly.

Peter Diamond says that one of the most important things the government can do for employment is to take care of basics, like infrastructure and education. "As long as we have so many idle resources, this is the time when it's advantageous—and socially less expensive—to engage in public investment," he says. Eventually, he believes, the economy will adapt and things will work out, once again. "Jobs have been changing and moving around—within the country, out of the country—for a very long time," he says. "There will be other kinds of jobs that still require people." 

David Talbot is TR's chief correspondent.

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MedicalQuack

10 Comments

  • 517 Days Ago
  • 12/20/2011

Flawed data and algorithms

One other item to make note of as well is how the jobs that are available are filled and how much flawed data we are accumulating out there, nobody looks at this side but it's there.

In addition to what you have outlined above we all have this problem to where folks are discriminated against due to the algorithms and flawed data.  It's getting worse too as corporate makes more money on "free taxpayer data" they mine from the web and thus sometimes I wonder how if retail drug stores are filling prescriptions as a side line for the data as Walgreens said publicly not too long at that their data selling business is worth just under $800 million..give that some real thought:)

Yes automation has replaced jobs and we need education but the flawed data and discrimination by the algorithms is alive and well and it is largely why the Occupy movements are taking place. 

Attack of the Killer Algorithms part 7...

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2011/12/flawed-datamined-by-corporations-online.html?utm_source=BP_recent

License and tax corporate America who's making billions selling the data and give some back to the taxpayers...the alternative "millionaire's tax"...

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2011/12/alternative-millionaires-taxlicense-and.html?utm_source=BP_recent

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peeweekiwi

1 Comment

  • 516 Days Ago
  • 12/21/2011

Re: Flawed data and algorithms

Actually, the last paradigm  ( read tectonic) shift, at the end of the Industrial Revolution, required that the surplus labour force be eradicated  through the convenient mechanism of the First World War. Itself another enterprise where a cartel of manufacturers profited greatly at enormous social cost, and an example of the perverse productivity cycle that our economies are locked into.
Look forward to a large scale conventional land war as an economic stimulus, foreshadowed by the usual rise in ultra-nationalism.
It will start with the U.S. trying to establish a pretext to go after  Iran, in the same way it went into Iraq (check Halliburtons profits ) and Afghanistan. Both convenient platforms for technology testing, and diverting a fighting force made up largely of the uneducated and otherwise unemployable.

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mkogrady

425 Comments

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Re: Flawed data and algorithms

So what we need to do is relevel the supply of labor by what again - WWIII?

Whom fights whom?

99% to 1%?
Educated vs Uneducated?
Blue Collar vs White collar
Republicans vs Democrats
Tea Party vs slackers
Taxpayers vs deadbeats?

Or do we make it an International issue?

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mode1charlie

1 Comment

  • 500 Days Ago
  • 01/06/2012

Re: Flawed data and algorithms

In your comment about what the opposite of "tea party" is: I hope you are being ironic, otherwise you have turned reality on its head.

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Steve Adams

5 Comments

  • 500 Days Ago
  • 01/06/2012

Re: Flawed data and algorithms

Really. . . . ?  ALL WAR IS A CONSPIRACY OF THE RICH RULING CLASS.   POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!

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jeffmilam

1 Comment

  • 516 Days Ago
  • 12/21/2011

Welfare and Progress

According to some transhumanists, the goal is to automate everything, freeing people from working so that they might pursue other interests.  Of course, this would require that institutions met the most basic human needs. What are the possibilities of inflating welfare programs so that basic food, housing, and basic education is provided for everyone, leaving only the educated and ambitious to pursue careers? I know that this sounds impossible, but assuming that technology may one day make resource gathering and processing easy enough to accomplish this, is it a noble goal? I suppose my question is, is this a realistic goal, and if so, is it a responsible goal?

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wexlerj

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  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Re: Welfare and Progress

I think that your comment should be what we shoot for, that is, an equitable way to distribute our increasing efficiencies throughout the world to everyone. The top tier are able to tap into exponentially improving technology, the very fruits of our civilization's collective action, and then go about enriching themselves and displacing, and laying off so-called surplus labour. It seems to me there is the greatest shift going on in history in economics because of the radical change in the means of production, and so far politically, we are way behind the curve. The argument you make was eloquently laid out in the book THE LIGHTS IN THE TUNNEL, so yes, you have a point.

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jojo99

12 Comments

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Re: Welfare and Progress

Read Nancy Kress's 'Beggars In Spain' trilogy for the answer to our question.

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Steve Adams

5 Comments

  • 500 Days Ago
  • 01/06/2012

Re: Welfare and Progress

"Of course, this would require that institutions met the most basic human needs."  

Or maybe people would just 'work' 2 hours a week. 

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z0rr0

99 Comments

  • 516 Days Ago
  • 12/21/2011

The shift is not the problem

There are still dumb jobs and lots of intelligent jobs, however, most people are only pretty smart. It is not the shift, it is the growing valley between the humps.

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c.mccain

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  • 503 Days Ago
  • 01/03/2012

Re: The shift is not the problem

Additionally, the number of "dumb jobs" is diminishing as smart machines displace the flesh and blood workers.  Besides, smart machines will continue to work their way up the intellectual pyramid. The best (worst?) is yet to come.

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Sandwichman

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  • 516 Days Ago
  • 12/21/2011

How Many Times Have We Heard This?

"There will be other kinds of jobs that still require people."

Not necessarily. In the past there were wars, opening up new areas of the globe to trade, financial crashes and depressions that actually wiped out creditors and massive government intervention. To pretend that all that was just "trade finding its own level" is an exercise in historical fantasy.

Besides, each successive wave of new consumer demand had its unique characteristics. The characteristics of the next wave of consumerism are already discernible in intangible social media phenomena. The 'catch' there is that much of the content is user supplied, suggesting that the jobs per consumer ratio is likely to be very much smaller than with previous tangible consumer goods like cars, appliances and even tourism.

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cbarcus

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  • 514 Days Ago
  • 12/23/2011

Decline of Surplus Energy a far more likely Culprit

What has been happening in the energy sector is of far more relevance to understanding our present economic condition. The largest field of conventional oil (Ghawar in Saudi Arabia) is using water injection to keep up production, which necessarily means that the era of cheap oil is over. From now on we are looking at a lower surplus of energy as we increasingly try to exploit the inherently more expensive unconventional sources of oil to make up for the conventional shortfall. As production fails to meet demand, another price spike will bring an abrupt end to our current meager growth, just as it has in the past. Perhaps we'll turn more to natural gas to power the transportation sector. Even if we were to manage to meet demand in the short-term, we still have the problem of increased carbon emissions. This is a losing game, and we are foolish to continue to play it.

What we need is a new source of cheap and abundant carbon-free energy so that we may synthesize new carbon-neutral fuels. The alternative is economic, social, and cultural decline. Unfortunately, renewables have inherent costs that prevent them from working in this role. We must look to a new generation of nuclear technology, and we need a plan fast so that society can see that the future still holds some hope.

This may be a start:

http://energyfromthorium.com/plan/

http://climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/4/planId/15102#plans%3Dtab%3Adescription

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sanman

31 Comments

  • 504 Days Ago
  • 01/02/2012

So Go Unconventional

So we'll go with the Tar Sands, Brazil Deepwater, Shale Oil. Costs a little more, but it's manageable, especially with newer energy-efficiency technologies. It's more labor-intensive to extract, but hey, that creates jobs.
There's natural gas, too.

Meanwhile, electric vehicles are starting to appear, and battery technology is also improving, especially with high-margin mobile devices driving more R&D. Once electric cars cross a threshold of viability, then people will flock to them, because they're maintenance-free and very reliable without the constant breakdowns and need for repair.

When transportation becomes sufficiently electric, then nuclear and alternative energy will really bloom, because much of our economy will run off the grid.

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DennisBuller

119 Comments

  • 499 Days Ago
  • 01/07/2012

Re: So Go Unconventional

Finally, a positive thought!
  Thanks, I was starting to think everyone here believes it is all an evil conspiracy by the 1%....
   Which of course it obviously is:)

     

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edbeards

2 Comments

  • 509 Days Ago
  • 12/28/2011

The other function of jobs

This article gets tantalizingly close to the a dilemma I've identified with the following thought experiment. Imagine all goods and services really can be made by two guys and a lot of machines (including the making of the machines). No jobs for anyone else. Problem is, how would we pass out those goods and services to everyone else.

We think of jobs, i.e. labor, i.e. work by people, as a factor of production that is duly compensated out of the returns generated. Of course.

What we miss, however, is the distributive function of jobs. Income from jobs represent tickets which can be exchanged for shares of the goods and services. Jobs are how we pass out the tickets.

Lots of societies have 'made-up' non-producing jobs that fill precisely this function... think civil service functionaries. In some cases, we just pass out the tickets, i.e. welfare. If we do away with the need for people in the production of goods and services, we're stuck. No way to parcel out the tickets. It would take a whole different paradigm, which we have no way to get to.

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mfidelman

2 Comments

  • 506 Days Ago
  • 12/31/2011

Re: The other function of jobs

Re. "made up" jobs: Forget civil service functionaries, what about major league sports, advertising, all those promotional toys that get handed out at McDonalds only to be thrown away, ....?

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nradonic@comcast.net

31 Comments

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Re: The other function of jobs

My thoughts are parallel to these. Start by reducing the work week to 35 hours - that should drop unemployment by >5%, assuming a replacement rate of half for displaced work. Then jack up hourly wages by ~14% ((40-35)/35) and increase minimum wages by ~20% to bring up the bottom incomes. As work quantities decrease and automation increases, decrease the working week by more time. After all, most jobs do not productive in the sense of fashioning resources into goods, but rather are services to industries that serve production, in one way or another.

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mkogrady

425 Comments

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Re: The other function of jobs

Two guys, a bunch of robots and a heck of a lot of Vending Machines.

Ok - who designs the robots and vending machines then? The replacment guys are made by a little bit of canoodling.

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mfidelman

2 Comments

  • 506 Days Ago
  • 12/31/2011

workless society?

How soon we forget all the science fiction stories and movies promising that robots would do all our work for us, freeing us up for other activities.

Seems to me that our economic systems haven't kept up with productivity improvements. At one time, we shifted from working 6 days a week, to the 40-hour work week.  Europeans have continued the trend of reducing work weeks / increasing leisure time.  Seems to me that it's time for another major, systemic re-structuring of how we organize work.

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ka5s

61 Comments

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Re: workless society?

Or the ones in which the economy is rescued by using robots to wear out consumer goods so it can still be profitable to sell them.

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mikec540@rochester.rr.com

3 Comments

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Re: workless society?

The rapid pace of automation has indeed changed the nature of employment in the US (and lead to increases in the number of US unemployed).

However, I have NOT seen one comment here about the equally negative effect of "off shoring" or "outsourcing" on US employment.

Several years back I asked a Xerox VP about the plan to use more labor from India to "increase our productivity".  My question went something like: "If we continue to send engineering, support, and manufacturing jobs to low wage countries like India, then what does the middle class in the US do to earn the money that enables them to NEED the very goods and services that Xerox offers?  If I work for minimum wage then I don't need any of the personalized printed items churned out by the billions of pages on Xerox equipment.  So doesn't outsourcing really threaten Xerox's long range bottom line?"  The VP in question  responded that emerging markets like India and China offered huge opportunities and outsourcing was one of the ways to make inroads into those markets.  His boss (the VP in the room who is now current Xerox CEO) responded that Xerox didn't want to outsource but rather could not find trained employees here in the US (this said with a straight face just after Xerox laid off hundreds of engineers/software developers and shifted their jobs to India to save money).

Xerox managers have NOT been alone in this short sighted quest for "improved productivity".  Here we are several years after my question, unemployment is about 10% (or 18% if you count under-employment and the discouraged who have dropped out of the job market), middle class wages (and tax collections) are declining, US borrowing is soaring, and the US is racing to become one of the largest third world debtor nations in history.

In my view, automation/technology might be one force behind the tectonic employment shift leading us to a workerless society.  BUT, outsourcing/off shoring of middle class jobs is probably an even larger force and disruptor.  Further, I would theorize that we aren't becoming a "workerless society".  Rather, we've become a society that depends on millions of low wage workers who are invisibly scattered around the world, and that is the real tectonic force behind the shift occurring in the US job market.

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mcasparian

1 Comment

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Re: workless society?

Mike - You hit the nail on the head brother.

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mkogrady

425 Comments

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Re: workless society?

Bingo - good analysis and comment. This permeates all areas of manufacturing.

So when will a $14/hr job in the US actually be sufficient to buy a home, feed and raise a family, send the kids to college and retire?

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Mr. Mark

29 Comments

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Re: workless society?

Why don't you just earn more money?

How is it always somebody else's responsibility to pay your way?

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windump

1 Comment

  • 500 Days Ago
  • 01/06/2012

Re: workless society?

If a job is important enough to be done by a human , then it is important that the human AND any dependent human(s) can subsist, dare say thrive, on the results of that job.

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ACMet

1 Comment

  • 486 Days Ago
  • 01/20/2012

Re: workless society?

MIKE,

Yours is one superb assessment of "the problem" if I've ever seen one!  And as we've become so fond of saying, "at the end of the day," the bottom line is greed.  I guess all these multimillion dollar CEOs can sell their products to each other.

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Mr. Mark

29 Comments

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Re: workless society?

How we "organize work"?

What organization does work require?

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CurtHowland

69 Comments

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Economics, not engineering.

Oh, woe is me. Technology is making people so productive, soon no one will be employed at all!

Since a back-hoe does the work of 100 men with shovels, then it's time to abandon back-hoes. But shovels are still to productive, so those hundred men with shovels will be replaced with 1,000 men with spoons.

The same work will get done, but it will employ so many more people! Imagine full employment! Now imagine that, rather than sitting in front of your computer reading this, you're one of the men with a spoon.

The myth of retarding technology in order to maintain employment has been around for a very long time. It remains fiction.

The article ignores several aspects which have changed over time, drawing conclusions while falsely thinking that these things have remained constant. Technology is not the only thing that has changed.

All changes in techniques and technology require retraining. Some jobs become obsolete, others open up. That's normal. Unless you're ready to condemn 90% of the population to agricultural serfdom and erase the last thousand years, then stop with the false dichotomies.

Were those GDP figures adjusted for inflation? It's easy to talk about increasing productivity if it's measured in devalued currency. The USD has lost 98% of its value since 1913, destroying savings and fueling wild speculation and short-term investment schemes. It's time to take that into account.

More than half of every penny you make is taken in direct taxes. Income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes. Now factor in that of the price you pay for goods and services, more than half of what they make is also taken in taxes. So we're up to 75%.

Regulation has constantly increased. Of that 25% of productivity remaining, regulatory costs take another half, leaving your living standards AT BEST 12.5% of your actual productivity. Average.

Minimum wage laws prevent any jobs worth less than $8 or $10 per hour, or whatever, from getting done. This creates a permanent class of unemployed, and throws off statistics by assuming that all unemployed people are equally employable. Labor is not fungible.

Bailouts prevent the liquidation of misallocated capital, extending and worsening economic crises. Compare the "depressions" of 1837 and 1921 with the disaster of 1929-46. The so-called "long recession" of the 1870s with the stagflation of the 1970s. The difference is interference in money supply creating perverse incentives that only make the problems worse.

The single factor missing from Mr. Talbot's analysis is the single most overwhelming malefactor in the ongoing economic failure that is the collapsing United State: it's government. The largest, most powerful, most destructive government that has existed in all of human history.

No wonder the economy is failing. The wonder is that so few people see it.

I recommend reading some economics, not just engineering. How about "America's Great Depression" by Murry Rothbard. "Bureaucracy" by Ludwig von Mises. Listen to an entire Mises University on your car stereo during your commute. http://Mises.org/

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CurtHowland

69 Comments

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Re: Economics, not engineering.

An article that touches upon "technological" unemployment and other problems suggested, came out today:

http://mises.org/daily/5859/Joseph-Stiglitzs-MarketFailure-Myth

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dcmeserve

215 Comments

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Re: Economics, not engineering.

The government is currently a smaller factor in the economy, as a percentage of GDP, than it has been at any time since before the Great Depression.

You're right that the problem is economic/regulatory in nature, rather than technological, but you've got the economics exactly backwards.  The problem is that wealth has concentrated into a relative few individuals to an astonishing degree in the past few decades, largely as a result of policies (e.g. tax cuts, deregulation) that were supposedly put in place to address exactly the kinds of concerns you cite.

At least the Occupy movement is a sign that people have woken up to this.  I just hope it can maintain its momentum.

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CurtHowland

69 Comments

  • 500 Days Ago
  • 01/06/2012

Re: Economics, not engineering.

Dcmserve, I don't disagree that money and power have aggregated into the hands of the few.

The difference is that I recognize those few are the ones running both big business and big government, the same way that it has always been when government and business worked hand in hand.

Haven't you noticed the revolving door between the regulators and the regulated? Please, I'm not telling you you're wrong, only that you only examined half of the problem.

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dcmeserve

215 Comments

  • 497 Days Ago
  • 01/09/2012

Re: Economics, not engineering.


I don't disagree that money and power have aggregated into the hands of the few.

The difference is that I recognize those few are the ones running both big business and big government...

Haven't you noticed the revolving door between the regulators and the regulated?


But you're highlighting the following as problems:


More than half of every penny you make is taken in direct taxes. .. Now factor in ...(etc.)

Regulation has constantly increased. ...

Minimum wage laws prevent any jobs worth less than $8 or $10 per hour, or whatever, from getting done. This creates a permanent class of unemployed ...


The success of the richest to grab and keep a tight hold on the reins of power has been in large part through a decades-long campaign to get people to believe that exactly these things are where the problems are. The current problems in our economy are a direct result of moves that have been made in the last 3 to 4 decades to (among other similar things) cut taxes, decrease regulation, and effectively phase out the minimum wage through inaction (if it had kept up with inflation since the 1960s, min. wage would be somewhere in the range of $20 to $30/hr today).

So I don't understand your thinking here; it seems like major cognitive dissonance. You acknowledge that the richest few have too much hold of government, but you seem to support specific policies that will only further cement that power, further erode the middle class, and prevent economic recovery.

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Mr. Mark

29 Comments

  • 501 Days Ago
  • 01/05/2012

Article Symptomatic of Economic Ignorance

This article is symptomatic of the ignorance of Americans, especially academics.

When you can't make a living in one profession, switch to another. The internet and modern electronics make this extremely easy in efficient in comparison to the difficulties in past generations.

If you refuse to adapt, you will fail. That's nature.

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mfsteixeira

1 Comment

  • 500 Days Ago
  • 01/06/2012

Reduce working hours in inverse proportion

To me this is a simple equation:

We are overpopulated worldwide, Technology greatly reduces the man power needed for a given task;

We divide the number of man hours needed for all the tasks in all the world, and we get the number of working hours per capita

It's that simple!

We can start locally at the district and country level and then move globally. If, in a given moment man labor is demanded somewhere in the globe those who want to, can move there temporarily (for example: reconstruction after some natural accident)

Of course, we still need to have enough income to "purchase" all hour needs.
And here lies the issue: those who amassed great wealth are reluctant to let them go - they're delaying this Social (Re)Evolution as much as they can and maybe they want a WW3 - that must not be allowed.

In short: Smart and dumb, educated and non educated. in the USA and Europe, South America, or in Africa and the middle east...

Everywhere, Everybody has the "right" and "duty" to work, to "make" something however trivial, to have just compensation for it and to have quality of life

No one should be on welfare (unless sick or impaired)

This should be our goal as a society (a world wide one)

We (all 7 Billion of we) the "workers" must also realize that a "job for life" is nowadays a "myth" - we must search for something to do or be creative and make something of interest to others, but the working hours needs to be reduced!

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jamo

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  • 496 Days Ago
  • 01/10/2012

Re: Reduce working hours in inverse proportion

There is a huge problem to your reducing work hours idea, not all people have the same skill set.  The last people who will have their jobs automated will likely be scientist and engineers who do a lot of high level design and thinking.  You can't expect to just magically have everybody become smart enough to fill these jobs, and for the sake of the economy its better if you have those that are cut out for the work do a full work week, rather than have someone else try to do their job and do it poorly.

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N B

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  • 471 Days Ago
  • 02/04/2012

Re: Reduce working hours in inverse proportion

Well said, Jamo. 

I would also point out that reducing the hours of the standard work week is unlikely to solve the problem of unemployment.  There are a lot of people whose natural competitiveness and desire for a better life for themselves and their families will push them to work long hours, just as they do today.  It doesn't matter if somebody else thinks those people don't 'have to' work such long hours anymore.  They will do it for the very simple reason that they think it is in their best interest to do so.  There have always been plenty of people who have worked hard to get ahead and that isn't likely to change just because it might be better for the broader society if they cut back a little (and personally, I'm not convinced that it would be better).  And guess what?  Those are exactly the kinds of people that employers like to hire.

As economist and sociologist have discovered many, many times over the years, people rarely behave in ways that are supportive of their idealized theories of how things are or how they ought to be.  Just the opposite.  As soon as some new type economic or regulatory system is devised, most people will start trying to figure out how to best take advantage of it.

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garyrich2000

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  • 498 Days Ago
  • 01/08/2012

Protected needs

Global enforcement of minimum standards of living will have to be vigilantly pursued to mitigate corporate exploitation.
EPA would then mean Economic Protection Agency than Environmental Protection Agency.

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Luke H. Lee

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  • 492 Days Ago
  • 01/14/2012

Something important was missed in their ruminations about the employment

@David Talbot:

I would suggest you also review the below linked two articles which I recently wrote: (1) "Job Creation in the Modern Information Age" http://goo.gl/ig0z1; (2) “The Real Cause of the Current Economic Crisis and a Suggested Solution” http://goo.gl/9y8Uf.

I think the authors of the books you reviewed, Erik Brynjolfsson, Andrew McAfee, David Autor and David Dorn, have missed something important in their ruminations about the employment. They have considered how the technological advances have contributed to the worsening of the employment situation only in the supply side of the market but never done how the characteristics of the real market or supply chain process as the blood stream of the market or economy has been changed due to the technological advances and how it has caused the changes of the economic environment in the Modern Information Age.

If we change the existing outdated and too much efficiency-oriented functional supply chain process into a new synergy supply chain process which is more suited to the modern information market/economy, I believe much of the current unemployment crisis could be solved easily and effectively.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.

Sincerely,

Luke

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