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beegdawg007
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crap and trade...
The current global CO2 hysteria is the silliest and saddest thing I have ever witnessed. Ths is Global hysteria over nothing. CO2 is "GOOD" not bad - plants love Co2. I am an Engineer, but the math necessary to see through this could be done by a 10th grader. I am not alone in my thoughts on this. 31,000 U.S. Scientists (9,000 PHDs) have signed the petition at this link. Basically it says "stop the nonsense.. "
http://www.oism.org/pproject/
There are similar activities now in other parts of the world like Japan and Australia.
Here's what we know...
1.The amount of CO2 "now" in the atmosphere is 385 ppm. To picture this, imagine our atmosphere being represented by a room filled with 10,000 tennis balls. Currently less than 4 of those 10,000 tennis balls would represent the Co2 now in the atmosphere. At least 3 of the tennis balls representing the CO2 in our room of 10,000 were put there by mother nature. Man has added, at most, the equivalent of 1 out of 10,000 tennis balls worth of CO2 in the past 150 years. If we keep going at this rate, we may add another 1 in the next 100 years. The plants of the earth are cheering us on because they absolutely love CO2. During the Triassic and Jurassic periods, perhaps the most lush period of time ever on planet earth, CO2 levels were 3 to 4 times greater than they are now.
2. Global warming (caused by solar activity) causes atmospheric CO2 to increase, not the other way around. This can be proven with the simplest of experiments. 93% of the CO2 on earth is locked up in water. In the oceans, CO2 exists as both compressed CO2(at the surface) and carbonic acid in the deeper ocean. Submarine vulcanization has been spewing CO2 in the ocean since the oceans begining billions of years ago. Warm water holds less of both types of CO2. As the water warms, CO2 is released baci into the atmosphere. Just fill a glass with cold tap water and measure the PH. Let it warm and measure the PH again. The PH will have gone up (less acidic) because CO2 has left the water which will have slightly reduced the amount of carbonic acid. FYI, carbonic acid is what makes soda pop fizz!
3. The earth has gotten colder every year since 1998, not warmer. The warming period which Al Gore likes to site for the past 150 years is simply a totally normal cycle which came about as we exited a colder period, following the little ice age, which followed the Midevel warming period. On a temperature chart of thee past 3,000 years, the earth is exactly at the normal point right now.
4. Plants love CO2. The more CO2 the more plants. More plants remove more CO2. The earth is a natural carbon sequestation system. The amount of CO2 exchanged between the atmosphere, the ocean and the land, absolutely dwarf the wee bit being added annually by mankind.
5. And as for the ocean rising.. it is.. and it has been rising at an average rate of about 2 ft per century for the past 18,000 years. Just 12,000 years ago, men and animals walked from mainland Europe to the British Isles. Scientists who measure these things, claim the ocean level has increased 120 Meter in the last 18,000 years. Our problem really is that we put most of our cities in the wrong places.
6. The correlation between solar activity and rising earth surface temperatures is almost perfect.
Some of the people who visit sites like this and who believe themselves to be objective and analytical need to do some real independant research. I've read every bit of the argument put forth by Al Gore's team and I have watche his video. However, I am yet to discuss this with anyone who believes this Al Gore junk science who has actually paid any attention to the arguments which hundreds of scientists make which prove that most of Al Gores junk science is but childish fantasy. FYI, I have absolutely nothing at all to do with any part of the energy industry. I am a Civil Engineer who builds roads. But, facts are facts. Those who do just a wee bit of research will discover that scientists througout the world are now starting to speak out against the rampant environmental Nazism that is going on.
The entire CO2 hypothesis is but a myth which has been created by a junk science video. Just look at the recent ruling of the British High court about the nine gross misrepresentations in Al Gores video project!