Also ran: Toyota recently unveiled its new electric RAV4 at the Los Angeles Auto Show. The vehicle will go on sale a year later than Nissan’s electric Leaf.
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Energy
Toyota Plans a Hybrid Strategy
As Nissan and GM prepare to ship flagship electric vehicles, Toyota is taking another road.
- Monday, November 29, 2010
- By Kevin Bullis
Nissan and GM will start shipping their flagship electric cars—the Leaf and the Volt—next month. Toyota also recently unveiled a new version of its RAV4 electric SUV at the Los Angeles Auto Show. But unlike Nissan and GM, which have put considerable effort behind the marketing of their electric cars, Toyota has made it clear that it regards electric cars as niche vehicles, and is pinning its hopes on hybrids instead.
Toyota will make just 35 test versions RAV4s next year before rolling out a production version of the car to customers in 2012.
Carlos Ghosn, the CEO of Nissan and Renault, with which Nissan formed an alliance last year, has said that 10 percent of all models sold by these two companies will be electric by 2015 (about 820,000 vehicles, according to sales projections by J.D. Power). This will start with the electric Leaf, a car with a 73-mile range, according to the EPA. Nissan plans to introduce hybrids, but at nothing near these levels.
In contrast, Toyota says that by 2015, 10 percent of its cars will be hybrids, or about 990,000 units, based on sales projections. Toyota sells more hybrids than any other automaker. Toyota is focusing on hybrids in part because it knows the technology works (it has years of real-world testing with the Prius).
The lithium-ion battery technology for the Volt and Leaf has been tested in the lab, and briefly in cars on the road—but no one knows how it will perform over the life of the vehicles. And the success of the Prius has enabled Toyota to drive down costs with high-volume production. These factors have led J.D. Power to predict that hybrids will be more successful than electric vehicles, outselling them three to one.
Many automakers are spreading their attention among several options. They are "doing a little bit of everything, because no one really knows what technology will be the winner," says Michael Omotoso, J.D. Power's senior manager of power-train forecasting. This means these automakers are making all-electric vehicles, ordinary hybrids, and plug-in hybrids, which contain larger batteries than ordinary hybrids and can be charged via an ordinary electric outlet. Plug-in hybrids can use less gasoline than conventional hybrids.
GM is marketing the Volt as an electric car although technically it is an extreme example of a plug-in hybrid. It runs entirely on electricity for about 40 miles, but can use gasoline for longer trips. GM plans to make 10,000 Volts in 2011, and 30,000 to 40,000 in following years. It's also planning a plug-in hybrid with a shorter electric range than the Volt, as well as a number of hybrids.
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btrotter@ciaccess.com
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Toyota Still Dictating To Its Customers
I think Toyota is really just still trying to DICTATE to us what we want. Remember how they kept telling us plug-in hybrids made no sense (ie. just buy the Prius and be quiet)? What they should be doing is changing their business strategy to deliver us what we really DO want.
Time will tell whether Toyota's strategy will work. I, like Nissan, think they are wrong and battery EVs will sell very well. I will be looking to buy a battery EV as my 2nd car next time out and it will save me >$1000/year in fuel, recouping the extra sticker price I have to pay.
And that means I will not even be visiting a Toyota showroom.
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governmentmotors
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Re: Toyota Still Dictating To Its Customers
First of all Toyota does not "dictate" to customers.Toyota builds vehicles that people want to buy. The big three have been "dictating" to consumers for years. That is one reason why they lost so much market share. The Prius plug in will be one of many hybrid/electric options that Toyota will offer in the coming years. This offer is based on what a particular consumer wants/needs depending on where they live in the Country. If you buy your Leaf and you live in area where coal is the source of electricity, does an electric vehicle make sense? If your commute is more then 50 miles round trip, does the Leaf make sense. The Prius plug in makes sense in both cases because it does not have to be plugged in to get over 50 mpg. However, if the customer wants/needs to plug in, they have that option. On a 100 mile trip. the Prius plug in is good for 82 mpg. The Prius plug in is the real deal. There are 600 of these being driven throughout the country for FEASABILITY studies. The durability/reliability has been tested. The price? About $3000 more then a current Prius. $6,000 less then a Leaf, $14,000 less then a Volt.Could be lower as the cost comes down when the vehicle comes to market next year.
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travlinmo
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Re: Toyota Still Dictating To Its Customers
I would like to add that EPRI did a review of whether hybrids powered by coal electricity are still better than hybrids with gas in this paper:
Environmental Assessment of Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicles
Full Hybrids (plug-in) charged by Coal are still better than any vehicle powered by gasoline.
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cm224
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Re: Toyota Still Dictating To Its Customers
That's why I drive a natural Gas powered Honda Civic GX. Batteries technologies are a far cry from "prime time", and infrastructure (charging stations for quick charges)are non existent. With my home refueling costing about $.63 a gallon equiv. My cost per mile is the same as a gasoline car getting 85 miles per gallon, and I can get car pool lane stickers (unlimited available), a $4000 tax credit, and all for just over $26k. Lots of infrastructure means travel is no problem (www.cngprices.com) and I have about a 300 mile range on a tank. Save all your expensive, over computerized and untested electrics for about 5-10 years down the road when batteries finally catch up. CNG cars have been around since 1906. Tried and true technology to be certain.
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Mapou
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Toyota's Potential Pitfall
Toyota is banking on the fact that battery technology is not yet at a stage where EVs can successfully compete with internal combustion vehicles and hybrids. However, the current frenzied research in alternative storage technology makes it highly likely that a revolutionary new battery will suddenly appear on the scene. That would make hybrids and everything else obsolete. The pure EV manufacturers (Nissan, Tesla, etc.) would simply change to the new battery and reap enormous profits while leaving Toyota in the dust.
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governmentmotors
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Re: Toyota's Potential Pitfall
And if you don't think that Toyota is all over the next generation of batteries, then you have your head in the sand my friend. How many years has Toyota been involved with Hybrids? Do you really think Toyota is standing still? You must be driving the "all new" Volt. You have no idea.
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memito
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Re: Toyota's Potential Pitfall
I think Toyota is right at this moment in time. If they hold the same viewpoint 5 years from now, then they would be going against the trend by then (I predict).
I think they are playing politics with the issue. They must be working on EV behind the scenes to get them ready for prime time in 5 years time. But at the moment they have to play down the EV market because they want to generate demand for their hybrids. As I said, I think they are reading the market right. If I was to buy a car today, I would buy a hybrid, and would delay an EV purchase by about 8 years to let the industry bring prices down and perfect the technology. Only if a win the lottery would I move into the first adopter crowd.
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StupidPeasant
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Re: Toyota's Potential Pitfall
We will buy what works, unless the government pays us to do differently. But the government will go broke paying us. Then what? We can be like Spain?
We want something that we can beef up, haul ass, go up to the mountains, across deserts & look good. The "green-holes" don't like that because they want us stuck in the city cubes. But; We are the STUPID PEASANTS and we're not going to stand for that,,, yet. Toyota knows that. GM better come up with something better than 40 mile crap or they're done.
I want 300 miles with the heater, lights and stereo up full blast or you'll have to give me a lot of your tax dollars to pay me to do otherwise.
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Scottar
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Re: Toyota's Potential Pitfall
Right On Bro
The Green Elites are trying to scare monger us into downsizing our lives. They are trying to make us feel guilty about our carbon footprints while they trample all over us with theirs.
Even though the Arctic is expanding now and the over all ice between the two poles has basically remained the same and recent measurements show about 1mm a year in sea level rise, half of what the IPCC has claimed, the scare mongers still claims this nonsense of accelerated global warming, sea level rise, poles are melting, and they got to save us from ourselves. They see us as unruly peasants that need more taming. There are better choices!
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Irelandlife
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Are we all serious right now???
For what reason on planet earth have you thought of that says buying an electric car right now is a good idea... Is it just me or did anybody else read the MIT article about a new jell substance that will improve batteries today 30% without a change in price! Fine then go ahead and buy a nissan battery but when im driving in my new battery powered car dont say I didnt tell you so... It would be nice to know that i wasnt the only one who put two and two together... Plus I will be inventing a special car piece on the outside that charges the battery while you drivr... All im saying is 40 little miles isnt going to be all that empressive in a few years... Please be smart and save your money... It only make logical sense
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